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JustAnOgre's avatar

It reminds me Alasdair MacIntyre asking why are literally all modern political ideologies versions of liberalism, even all versions of conservatism are actually versions of liberalism?

My defense of liberty would be this:

1) selfishness: people are more motivated to serve their own well-being, than other people are motivated to help them

2) self-knowledge: people know about their needs and how to meet them

This explains neatly some exceptions: children do not have much self-knowledge and their parents are highly motivated to serve the well-being of their children.

Okay, but then what about crazy ranting homeless people? Okay, they don't have much self-knowledge. But is the state highly motivated to serve their well-being, or just wants them to not be a nuisance?

And does the state really know their needs? What if they are extremely claustrophobic? Would make sense. I am extremely agoraphobic, if I would be homeless, I would find something like a cave, totally not sleep on the open street ever. Conversely there can be people who just cannot sleep in a room smaller than a basketball hall, right?

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Jason's avatar

This was an interesting line especially the surprising (to me) comment in parentheses:

“On even more moderate (and some would say not really liberal) views, liberty is one of the most important values and must be balanced with other very important considerations such as equality or welfare.”

I suppose this is where I distinctly depart with classical liberalism. It seems obvious to me that freedom from deprivation, isolation, inadequate resources and essential services, the stress of scarcity, significant shortfalls in status and respect, homelessness and a detrimental (chemical, biological, physical, auditory) environment is as important as any of the classical freedoms (just think of what matters day to day in people’s lives) and therefore has as much claim (if not more) to the label of liberalism as any other.

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